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War on Iraq: Comments from the
Symposium
Fritz W. Ermarth, Joseph C. Wilson, L.
Paul Bremer, Zeyno Baran,
Larry C. Johnson and James R.
Schlesinger
Fritz W. Ermarth:
The first task of a military occupation will be to
restore physical order. It will need to locate Iraqis
who are willing and able to collaborate in this process.
From the restoration of basic, physical order, we can
move to the establishment of law and order, and begin to
develop the elements of a decently governed state--one
based on pluralism, the rule of law, and privatization
of the economy. It may be impossible to create
Switzerland out of Iraq, but not to make Iraq a better
place than it is today.
What do we mean by democracy? We ought to be clear.
We are speaking about the rule of law, limits on the
power of the state, economic access, genuine
participation of the population in the selection of
leaders and policies. … The notion that you implant a
voting machine and everyone pushes the radical Islam
button is not what we mean by democracy.
Fritz W. Ermarth is Director of National Security
Programs at the Nixon Center. He is also a part-time
Senior Analyst in the Strategies Group of Science
Applications International Corporation. He served
several tours on the NSC staff, served as Chairman of
the National Intelligence Council (1988-93,) and retired
from the CIA in 1998.
Joseph C. Wilson:
What might Saddam do, in the event of war? On August
6, 1990, I met with Tariq Aziz, who told me that Iraq
reserved the right to use any weapon in its arsenal if
attacked. When I met with Saddam Hussein, he was vaguer,
but said he was prepared to use everything if invaded.
Two things to keep in mind. First, Saddam is a
classic survivalist. In his mind, as long as he
survives, the nation-state of Iraq survives; the state
is embodied in him. Second, Saddam wants to survive with
weapons of mass destruction. He wants to continue his
efforts to dominate the region. He would like to create
one single Arab state under his leadership or at least
dominate the Arab world.
Can you deter him? … Regime decapitation is the
ultimate sanction if he uses a weapon of mass
destruction or tries to embroil Israel in this conflict.
…
Operation Desert Fox [1998] roiled the political
climate in Iraq. It weakened the pillars of the
regime--tribal support and clan support. An aggressive
campaign on weapons of mass destruction may have the
intended or unintended consequences of leading to a
coup, causing Saddam's generals to move. We may want to
therefore focus on high value targets. For example,
right now, when an American or allied aircraft
patrolling the no-fly zone is "painted", we go
after the air defense site, the sergeants and the
corporals manning the post. Instead, we should go after
the headquarters issuing the order--this affects
colonels and generals. …
We need to focus on global public opinion. We need to
present evidence that Iraq does have weapons of mass
destruction, not that we are overthrowing an Arab regime
because we don't like it.
I don't believe Saddam will go quietly. He will use
every weapon in his arsenal, and he will cause trouble
for us wherever possible.
The Honorable Joseph Wilson was deputy chief of the
U.S. mission to Iraq from 1988 to 1991 and in that
capacity was the last American official to meet with
Saddam Hussein. He currently heads J. C. Wilson
International Ventures.
L. Paul Bremer:
In presenting the evidence against Saddam, we cannot
use the Stevenson model [referring to the public
presentation made by Aldai Stevenson to the UN Security
Council in October 1962 during the Cuban Missile
Crisis].
During the Reagan Administration, prior to the cruise
missile deployments, we sent high level emissaries to
Europe accompanied by intelligence officers bearing
classified material on the Soviet threat to share
directly with decision-makers in Europe. This is the
approach that ought to be taken.
The Hon. L. Paul Bremer, chairman and chief executive
of Marsh Crisis Consulting, served as chairman of the
National Commission on Terrorism and is a member of the
President's Homeland Security Advisory Council.
Zeyno Baran:
President Bush has not yet decided whether he will
continue to work within the UN process or take a more
unilateral position, and go to war in Iraq. The
preferred policy would be for Saddam to be convinced
that the United States would indeed go to war, and back
down.
To convince Saddam of a likely attack, the
administration is preparing militarily and
diplomatically for a war that may start late January or
February. The United States would ideally want to be
able to attack from all angles, but Saudi Arabia, Iran
and Syria are non-starters. Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and
Jordan have all provided very good cooperation. However,
they all prefer to see a second UN resolution prior to
the war.
Turkey is the key country for an attack from the
north. There has been a lot of back-and-forth with
Turkey. Paul Wolfowitz visited Ankara last week, and the
leader of the Justice and Development Party (AKP), Recep
Tayyip Erdogan, is in Washington this week. There are a
number of steps that will require parliamentary approval
in Turkey, and it would make things quicker and cheaper
for the United States to have Turkey on board.
The Turks find themselves in a difficult position.
The United States wants the Turks to provide full use of
its bases and ports for the deployment of American
planes and soldiers, along with a whole set of other
military logistical support items. The new ruling party,
the AKP, however, has an Islamic element. They do not
want to be allied only with the United States and the
United Kingdom against Iraq. They do not want to take
part in something that smacks of neo-imperialism.
There is also a great deal of concern about "the
day after." What kind of Iraq is going to emerge?
Is a federal structure in Iraq going to be based on
geographic or ethnic factors? If based on ethnic
factors, it is likely to benefit Massoud Barzani and
raise the specter of Kurdish separatism. If based on
geographic factors, however, then the Turcomans will
have some degree of control. Control of the Mosul-Kirkuk
oil fields is another area of importance.
In the event of war, the Turks are likely to go into
northern Iraq in the event of war to create a zone for
humanitarian relief, to prevent large refugee flows into
Turkey. The signals appear to be that Washington is
likely to turn a blind eye as long as the Turkish
presence is for strictly humanitarian purposes, and not
as an attempt to seize the oil fields in the north.
The Turkish economy is very fragile and could be
destabilized with the war. The United States will have
to come up with significant aid and trade incentives to
get Turkey fully on board. An eventual war in Iraq will
not only chance the map of the Middle East, but
potentially the strategic Turkish-American relationship
as well.
Zeyno Baran is director of the Caucasus Project at
the Center for Strategic and International Studies ( http://www.csis.org/ruseura/caucasus/).
Larry C. Johnson
When you allow terrorists and their sponsors to go
unchallenged, terrorists are able to mount an even
deadlier threat to us. When you disrupt their bases, it
affects their ability to carry out attacks. …
An attack on Iraq may not itself be a part of the war
on terrorism, but it does affect American credibility. A
successful campaign will cause other states to reassess
the support they render to terrorism.
Larry C. Johnson is Chief Executive Officer of BERG
Associates and served as deputy director of the U.S.
State Department Office of Counterterrorism (1989-1993).
James R. Schlesinger:
Hans Blix is an old colleague of mine. He once
remarked that aggressiveness is a virtue that is
appreciated in the United States, but not in Europe.
They prefer that something be "dynamic." I
must relate something from the previous experience of
the inspectors. David Kay was embroiled in a controversy
with an Iraqi minister, and Hans Blix stopped the
conversation, saying, "You must never argue with a
minister." Hans is a diplomat, he is a lawyer, and
he is a Swede who wants to be able to go back to
Stockholm, and not as the person who precipitated an
American war with Iraq. …
I count on Saddam Hussein to blunder. I think that
the probability is between eighty and ninety percent.
…
We have staked a great deal on the departure of
Saddam Hussein. If he is still there two years from now,
there will be a lot of questions as to the seriousness
of our intentions. …
With regard to realism: some of the previous
conversations took place along the lines of whether we
should or should not go to war. The realistic answer is
that we are going to do it, and to proceed to do it this
winter. Therefore, we ought to have in mind that this is
the almost certain outcome. Having alerted our forces, I
don't foresee that we will allow the window to close.
Eighty percent of the country will fall to us within
a week to ten days. The oil fields will be in our hands;
the Western Desert with its airfields will be in our
hands, thus providing reassurances to Israel that no
attack will be launched from there. As to the other
twenty percent, it is hard to foresee how it will turn
out. The Republican Guard and the security forces may
decide that enough is enough and remove Saddam, or they
may decide to hold out.
The real question is what happens on the next day.
The United States will have to demonstrate that it is
indeed an effective steward for the Iraqi people, that
there is food, clean water and medicines available. The
removal of the sanctions will improve the standard of
living of the Iraqi people and this will encourage them
to welcome the events leading to the removal of Saddam
Hussein.
The successful exercise of power has a major impact
on public opinion. Moreover, having 80,000 troops next
to Syria will facilitate a conversation with Bashir al-Asad
about shutting down or severely curtailing the
activities in the Beka Valley. The presence of American
troops along the Saudi border will help to change the
rhetoric of that regime. It will foster the hunger of
the people to be rid of the oppressive mullahs in Iran.
James R. Schlesinger is the publisher of The
National Interest and chairman of The Nixon Center's
Advisory Council. He has served as Secretary of Defense,
Secretary of Energy and Director of Central
Intelligence.
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