In
the Shadow of the Bush Ultimatum: The View from France An
interview with Philippe Raynaud (Conducted
by Damjan de Krnjevic-Miskovic, assistant managing editor of The
National Interest) Q: Professor, there
seem to me to be three critical topics for France arising from President
Bush’s speech on Monday night. First, could we have your opinion of the
speech? Then could you assess
its impact on the development of French opinion?
Finally, could you discuss the consequences for the Franco-American
relationship? First, your reaction to the president's address. A: This was a good
speech, much better than those that preceded it in the sense that Bush
employed arguments that were quite concentrated. Q: Could you give
an example? A: From the point
of view of international law, for example, making the explicit link to UN
Security Council Resolutions 678 and 687 is important. To follow President
Bush’s reasoning: he is not engaging in war, or at least not a new war,
since the Gulf War was never over. These resolutions provided for a
cease-fire, and there were provisions for immediate disarmament then, in
1991, that were not respected, obviously. President Bush’s
interpretation of international law is that the sanction of the Security
Council is not indispensable given that the it has already been given more
than once over a period extending back twelve years. It also signifies
that any state given the conditions currently at play, i.e. the fact that
there is a cease-fire, has the right to do what is necessary to defend
itself. This brings us back
to the classical conception of international law, namely the one that
reigned prior to the establishment of the United Nations. The meaning of
this speech is that the United States has a sovereign right—as a state
that particularly feels its sovereignty, given its power and its moral
authority—to act. This is the context in which we should see the
doctrine of pre-emption. The doctrine of
pre-emption, of course, is not in keeping with the style adopted since
1991. European reactions to this novel doctrine, to the present crisis and
to the war that will come are fundamentally different from those to
previous post-1991 conflicts (in which Europeans participated in not
insignificant numbers): in 1990–1 there was the attempt to annex another
sovereign state, in the Afghan affair there was the American-led response
to an act of aggression universally sanctioned by the Security Council and
NATO, etc. All this meant that in previous situations, opinion was more
spontaneously favorable than in this case, where the perception of the
danger, as Bush himself said, is certainly not the same in the U.S. and in
Europe. So the speech was a good speech in the service of the cause that
President Bush is defending. I note also that there is the promise of
creating a war crimes tribunal, which might be a way to reaffirm the
American doctrine of ad hoc tribunals. The speech, then, said much in few
words. Q:
In the immediate, short-term aftermath of the speech and its
ultimatum, what will France do? How will French opinion develop? A: This depends of
course on the flow of events. The situation in France is different from
the way it is presented in America’s conservative press. In a diplomatic
crisis, there are subtexts that are lost on some and therefore not taken
into account. The French position is not one of principled pacifism.
Rather, it is that the time for war had not yet arrived because diplomatic
ways had not been exhausted. Both President Chirac and Foreign Minister De
Villepin have said that this is a unilateral act, that it is a great
assumption of responsibility, etc. The tone was one of misapprobation.
That being said, two things need to be noted in the recent speeches by
Chirac. First, a few days
ago on French television, he said clearly that France authorizes American
use of its airspace. Secondly, he said on American television, if I
remember correctly, that he hoped that the victory will be swift. So the
French position is not as belligerent as is commonly understood. Given the
end of the diplomatic phase of the conflict, France will not impede the
United States. More than that, it will show certain signs of goodwill,
since that which France has permitted is still being negotiated between
America and her Turkish ally, it seems to me. Q: But not exactly,
since with the Turks it was also a question of staging troops, of opening
up a second front in the land war—if it comes to that. A: Certainly, but
what I mean to say is that in contradistinction to the ongoing Turkish
situation, the French move did not require negotiations of any sort.
France has given signals of bienveillance,
that is, France, now, is not looking to impede the American intervention,
given that the time for diplomacy has passed. Q: Fine. Please
explain the worldview informing the French attitude toward America’s
behavior in the international arena. A: The French
position, with all its complexities, is predicated on three things. I will
present them in ascending order of importance or seriousness. First, the argument
that the United States does not have sufficient authority to pursue its
ambitions in the Middle East because it is too pro-Israel. This is a weak
argument because one can say easily of France and the European Union that
they are too pro-Palestinian. Also, the Europeans don’t have the means
to act in the region, or at least their means are quite inefficient. So
this argument is a weak argument. Second, a more
forceful explanation of the French attitude concerns a differing
evaluation of the likelihood and risks involved in the attempt to
transform the Middle East in the wake of a successful
war. I find the American plan ambitious and risky. On the French
side, there is a prudence that betrays too much caution. Third, the most
important explanation comes down to a different philosophical conception
of the international system. French diplomacy is not anti-American, but
strongly anti-imperial. It is rooted in the understanding that a unipolar
world, or a unipolar era, as Charles Krauthammer recently put it in your
magazine, is impossible; and that it is imprudent to try. The most
effective way to maintain more or less normal relations in the world is to
proceed by management and resolution of conflicts by juridical-legal
rather than military means. France does not
believe that there will be a world led by a hegemonic power, even by a
benevolent hegemonic power. Even Vedrine, who is seen in the darkest
lights in the United States, does not have a hostility to the United
States. He is someone who has a deep pessimism on the possibility of one
power being able to master the whole of the diplomatic chess board. As the contemporary
world no longer operates along Westphalian principles, one must seek to
bring into being a regime of international law, that is, negotiation over
force. This is the French position, and note that this philosophic
divergence does not necessarily involve a conflict with Europe. Q: Will French
opinion will evolve? A: I think so.
Those who occupy themselves with French policies toward America say, and I
agree with them, that if the war ends quickly, which I think it will, and
if the American troops are perceived as liberators by the Iraqis, as seems
likely—at least at the beginning—France will see the campaign as an
act of benevolence and as not quite as risky as some had thought.
France’s decision to allow coalition aircraft to fly over its territory
will encourage this shift in public opinion. France’s interest lies in
ensuring that French opinion changes, or that the solidarity of the
anti-war camp be broken. I hope that in the weeks to come, you will see
the return of heterogeneity in French anti-war public opinion. Some will
remain against for various reasons (far-Left, far-Right, professional
pacifists) and others, those who were simply not convinced that President
Bush had made the case, will shift. The point is that in a month, the 80%
who were against the war will not translate into an 80% who will see the
war as having been a catastrophe. Q: On the future of
the Franco-American alliance. How will the trust be rebuilt? A: Here we have a
problem. Many have made a mess of things. This crisis brought forth severe
criticisms of the United States from those who had always been favorable
to America and her policies. This is most obvious in French intellectual
circles (think of Jean-Paul Julliard, Pierre Hassner, etc.), but true also
in French political circles. It will also depend
on the way the United States will interpret the story of this crisis, and
what the talking heads as well as the government officials will say over
the next little while. Informed French public opinion has had the
impression that France was the object of excessive American histrionics
(what comes out of FoxNews does end up being known in France). If you are
committed to the Bush position and you present reasonable arguments like
those of Kagan, then this is acceptable (Fine, Kagan posits a division of
labor in the international system, with a not too glorious, pacifist, part
for Europe, but nevertheless envisions continued partnership). But if American
sentiment follows that expressed by Richard Perle, namely that France is
no longer an ally, that France is dangerous because it seeks to balance
against the United States, and that therefore one must seek to reduce its
influence within the European Union, then relations will degrade.
Certainly France will have to pay for its policies during the diplomatic
phase of the conflict with Iraq, but it’s a question of degree. And this
is important to remember. So greater rhetorical and conceptual prudence is
required not just in Paris, but also in Washington. To conclude, I hope
that both governments understand that divergences in opinion between
allies are legitimate, and that this crisis can be considered alongside
other recent Franco-American crises. For example, President Reagan had
close ties with President Mitterand notwithstanding the fact that the
French president engineered rather anti-American policies on more than a
few occasions. Reagan understood that Mitterand would support him
“when”, as you said in your recent article,
“the chips were down, successive U.S. administrations believed that
France could be counted among its closest allies.” Franco-American
cooperation is mutually beneficial, especially in the context of the war
on terrorism. To forget this is a grave danger. Lastly, Washington must
understand that the French project for Europe, that, that Europe should
become a power in the international system, is not a danger to America. Philippe Raynaud
is a professor of political science at Université de Paris II (Panthénon-Assas)
and a noted commentator on the Franco-American relationship.
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