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In
the Shadow of the Bush Ultimatum: The View from France
An
interview with Philippe Raynaud
(Conducted
by Damjan de Krnjevic-Miskovic, assistant managing
editor of The
National Interest)
Q:
Professor, there seem to me to be three critical topics
for France arising from President Bush’s speech on
Monday night. First, could we have your opinion of the
speech? Then
could you assess its impact on the development of French
opinion? Finally,
could you discuss the consequences for the
Franco-American relationship? First, your reaction to
the president's address.
A:
This was a good speech, much better than those that
preceded it in the sense that Bush employed arguments
that were quite concentrated.
Q:
Could you give an example?
A:
From the point of view of international law, for
example, making the explicit link to UN Security Council
Resolutions 678 and 687 is important. To follow
President Bush’s reasoning: he is not engaging in war,
or at least not a new war, since the Gulf War was never
over. These resolutions provided for a cease-fire, and
there were provisions for immediate disarmament then, in
1991, that were not respected, obviously. President
Bush’s interpretation of international law is that the
sanction of the Security Council is not indispensable
given that the it has already been given more than once
over a period extending back twelve years. It also
signifies that any state given the conditions currently
at play, i.e. the fact that there is a cease-fire, has
the right to do what is necessary to defend itself.
This
brings us back to the classical conception of
international law, namely the one that reigned prior to
the establishment of the United Nations. The meaning of
this speech is that the United States has a sovereign
right—as a state that particularly feels its
sovereignty, given its power and its moral
authority—to act. This is the context in which we
should see the doctrine of pre-emption.
The
doctrine of pre-emption, of course, is not in keeping
with the style adopted since 1991. European reactions to
this novel doctrine, to the present crisis and to the
war that will come are fundamentally different from
those to previous post-1991 conflicts (in which
Europeans participated in not insignificant numbers): in
1990–1 there was the attempt to annex another
sovereign state, in the Afghan affair there was the
American-led response to an act of aggression
universally sanctioned by the Security Council and NATO,
etc. All this meant that in previous situations, opinion
was more spontaneously favorable than in this case,
where the perception of the danger, as Bush himself
said, is certainly not the same in the U.S. and in
Europe. So the speech was a good speech in the service
of the cause that President Bush is defending. I note
also that there is the promise of creating a war crimes
tribunal, which might be a way to reaffirm the American
doctrine of ad hoc tribunals. The speech, then, said
much in few words.
Q:
In the immediate, short-term aftermath of the
speech and its ultimatum, what will France do? How will
French opinion develop?
A:
This depends of course on the flow of events. The
situation in France is different from the way it is
presented in America’s conservative press. In a
diplomatic crisis, there are subtexts that are lost on
some and therefore not taken into account. The French
position is not one of principled pacifism. Rather, it
is that the time for war had not yet arrived because
diplomatic ways had not been exhausted. Both President
Chirac and Foreign Minister De Villepin have said that
this is a unilateral act, that it is a great assumption
of responsibility, etc. The tone was one of
misapprobation. That being said, two things need to be
noted in the recent speeches by Chirac.
First,
a few days ago on French television, he said clearly
that France authorizes American use of its airspace.
Secondly, he said on American television, if I remember
correctly, that he hoped that the victory will be swift.
So the French position is not as belligerent as is
commonly understood. Given the end of the diplomatic
phase of the conflict, France will not impede the United
States. More than that, it will show certain signs of
goodwill, since that which France has permitted is still
being negotiated between America and her Turkish ally,
it seems to me.
Q:
But not exactly, since with the Turks it was also a
question of staging troops, of opening up a second front
in the land war—if it comes to that.
A:
Certainly, but what I mean to say is that in
contradistinction to the ongoing Turkish situation, the
French move did not require negotiations of any sort.
France has given signals of bienveillance,
that is, France, now, is not looking to impede the
American intervention, given that the time for diplomacy
has passed.
Q:
Fine. Please explain the worldview informing the French
attitude toward America’s behavior in the
international arena.
A:
The French position, with all its complexities, is
predicated on three things. I will present them in
ascending order of importance or seriousness.
First,
the argument that the United States does not have
sufficient authority to pursue its ambitions in the
Middle East because it is too pro-Israel. This is a weak
argument because one can say easily of France and the
European Union that they are too pro-Palestinian. Also,
the Europeans don’t have the means to act in the
region, or at least their means are quite inefficient.
So this argument is a weak argument.
Second,
a more forceful explanation of the French attitude
concerns a differing evaluation of the likelihood and
risks involved in the attempt to transform the Middle
East in the wake of a successful
war. I find the American plan ambitious and
risky. On the French side, there is a prudence that
betrays too much caution.
Third,
the most important explanation comes down to a different
philosophical conception of the international system.
French diplomacy is not anti-American, but strongly
anti-imperial. It is rooted in the understanding that a
unipolar world, or a unipolar era, as Charles
Krauthammer recently put it in your magazine, is
impossible; and that it is imprudent to try. The most
effective way to maintain more or less normal relations
in the world is to proceed by management and resolution
of conflicts by juridical-legal rather than military
means.
France
does not believe that there will be a world led by a
hegemonic power, even by a benevolent hegemonic power.
Even Vedrine, who is seen in the darkest lights in the
United States, does not have a hostility to the United
States. He is someone who has a deep pessimism on the
possibility of one power being able to master the whole
of the diplomatic chess board.
As
the contemporary world no longer operates along
Westphalian principles, one must seek to bring into
being a regime of international law, that is,
negotiation over force. This is the French position, and
note that this philosophic divergence does not
necessarily involve a conflict with Europe.
Q:
Will French opinion will evolve?
A:
I think so. Those who occupy themselves with French
policies toward America say, and I agree with them, that
if the war ends quickly, which I think it will, and if
the American troops are perceived as liberators by the
Iraqis, as seems likely—at least at the
beginning—France will see the campaign as an act of
benevolence and as not quite as risky as some had
thought. France’s decision to allow coalition aircraft
to fly over its territory will encourage this shift in
public opinion. France’s interest lies in ensuring
that French opinion changes, or that the solidarity of
the anti-war camp be broken. I hope that in the weeks to
come, you will see the return of heterogeneity in French
anti-war public opinion. Some will remain against for
various reasons (far-Left, far-Right, professional
pacifists) and others, those who were simply not
convinced that President Bush had made the case, will
shift. The point is that in a month, the 80% who were
against the war will not translate into an 80% who will
see the war as having been a catastrophe.
Q:
On the future of the Franco-American alliance. How will
the trust be rebuilt?
A:
Here we have a problem. Many have made a mess of things.
This crisis brought forth severe criticisms of the
United States from those who had always been favorable
to America and her policies. This is most obvious in
French intellectual circles (think of Jean-Paul
Julliard, Pierre Hassner, etc.), but true also in French
political circles.
It
will also depend on the way the United States will
interpret the story of this crisis, and what the talking
heads as well as the government officials will say over
the next little while. Informed French public opinion
has had the impression that France was the object of
excessive American histrionics (what comes out of
FoxNews does end up being known in France). If you are
committed to the Bush position and you present
reasonable arguments like those of Kagan, then this is
acceptable (Fine, Kagan posits a division of labor in
the international system, with a not too glorious,
pacifist, part for Europe, but nevertheless envisions
continued partnership).
But
if American sentiment follows that expressed by Richard
Perle, namely that France is no longer an ally, that
France is dangerous because it seeks to balance against
the United States, and that therefore one must seek to
reduce its influence within the European Union, then
relations will degrade. Certainly France will have to
pay for its policies during the diplomatic phase of the
conflict with Iraq, but it’s a question of degree. And
this is important to remember. So greater rhetorical and
conceptual prudence is required not just in Paris, but
also in Washington.
To
conclude, I hope that both governments understand that
divergences in opinion between allies are legitimate,
and that this crisis can be considered alongside other
recent Franco-American crises. For example, President
Reagan had close ties with President Mitterand
notwithstanding the fact that the French president
engineered rather anti-American policies on more than a
few occasions. Reagan understood that Mitterand would
support him “when”, as you said in your recent
article, “the chips were
down, successive U.S. administrations believed that
France could be counted among its closest allies.”
Franco-American
cooperation is mutually beneficial, especially in the
context of the war on terrorism. To forget this is a
grave danger. Lastly, Washington must understand that
the French project for Europe, that, that Europe should
become a power in the international system, is not a
danger to America.
Philippe
Raynaud is a professor of political science at Université
de Paris II (Panthénon-Assas) and a noted commentator
on the Franco-American relationship.
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